"Written By Shaymin" ft. Blackjack Gabbiani | TRAINER'S EYE #127

Explore the darker side of Pokémon with BlackJack Gabbiani as they discuss their passion for Pokémon Villainous Teams, particularly Team Galactic and its complex leader, Cyrus. Their journey into Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow sparked a deeper connection to the franchise, leading them to create rich Pokémon fanfiction that explores lesser-known characters and world-building. If you’re into Pokémon lore and fanfic, this episode will give you fresh insights into the franchise’s depth. 

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Transcript

Blackjack Gabbiani 0:00

I'm Blackjack Gaviani, and this is my Pokémon story.

David Hernandez 0:42

Welcome to As the Pokeball Turns, where we interview people about their experience with Pokemon. My name is David Hernandez. I'm joined by a fan ficked writer and voice actor, Blackjack Gabbiani. Blackjack, welcome to the

Blackjack Gabbiani 0:57

Hi! I'm glad to be here!

David Hernandez 0:59

Absolutely. And We talked a little bit earlier about you doing fan fiction, but also the voice actor. And I hope the audience got to hear the different voices you could do. And I wanted to like ask, like, when was the first time you started doing voice acting and what led you to want to do

Blackjack Gabbiani 1:13

Okay, so when I was in sixth grade, I used to go read to the first graders, and they only ever wanted to hear Calvin and Hobbes. So I was like, uh, Calvin was kind of up here like this, and Hobbes was just kind of my regular voice, and Rosalind was kind of like this, and the dad was like this, and the teacher was like this, and, yeah. I think the mom was also my regular voice, I don't remember. this was a long, long time ago. I'm actually considerably older than most of the Pokemon fanbase. Pokemon came out here in the US, the summer that I graduated high school. So, I am a bit older! Hehehehehehe!

David Hernandez 2:00

everybody. So that is no problem at all. And the fact that it started with Calvin Hobbes, I love Calvin Hobbes. I read the comics growing up. It's

Blackjack Gabbiani 2:08

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's great for your imagination when you're a youngster, too.

David Hernandez 2:13

It is definitely. And

Blackjack Gabbiani 2:15

about, you know, big adventures and imagination and all that. And, you know, if you want to toss the voices in for it, all's the better.

David Hernandez 2:24

I mean, I'm sure pretty, the kids were pretty entertained with you doing all the different voices

Blackjack Gabbiani 2:28

Oh, yeah, yeah. I've only had one Pokémon roll, as I was saying before we started I did one episode of a Pokemon abridged that only lasted two episodes. I was the voice of Nurse Joy in the second episode in Viridian City!

David Hernandez 2:45

So you got to say like, Hey, welcome to the Pokemon center. Would you like me to heal your Pokemon back?

Blackjack Gabbiani 2:50

It was something like, cause you know, Ash and Jenny, run through the door on Jenny's motorcycle. Joy says something like, Most people use the stairs! I don't remember. It was a very long time ago. I don't remember

David Hernandez 3:06

And then I can imagine, I can imagine you giving yourself a menacing voice being we hope to see you again soon.

Blackjack Gabbiani 3:14

we hope to see you again.

David Hernandez 3:16

Yeah, there we go. we go. Ooh, well, that's awesome. Like the fact that you did, you know, Pokemon voice acting and, you know, it got to be a row, even though it was only two

Blackjack Gabbiani 3:25

Yeah, and, and of a, a fan project, I would love to do an official Pokemon voice. Oh my, you have no idea. Um,

David Hernandez 3:34

Have you ever imagined like what kind of character your voice would be best suited for in a Pokemon

Blackjack Gabbiani 3:38

yes.

David Hernandez 3:39

Ooh, let's go. Let's dive

Blackjack Gabbiani 3:41

I've always wanted to play a Pokemon villain, there's one voice I do that I think really goes well with Commander Mars. And so I think, I think this one's really good.

David Hernandez 3:54

So it'd be like the main head boss, like a Giovanni or for, um,

Blackjack Gabbiani 3:58

Well, if they ever actually dub the audio drama, I think I could be a pretty good Madam Boss. I kind of imagine her having like an old Hollywood sort of voice. Like, I did, one kind of demo where I was showing off voices where I was, one of the characters I picked was Lusamine. And so I did kind of like this, kind of low and a little biting. And then you can leave. It's true, it probably won't survive.

David Hernandez 4:28

Oh my gosh.

Blackjack Gabbiani 4:29

Actually, I can bring up some of her actual line.

David Hernandez 4:31

Sure.

Blackjack Gabbiani 4:32

And that's why I'm here. I'll be like a mother to all those poor Pokémon and shower them with love. Even Pokémon from distant worlds far from the Alola region are worthy of my love. Oh, you sweet boy! I'm already over 40! you do say such incomprehensible things. Calling me mother, I don't have any children. Especially, certainly not any wretched children who would run off and reject my love. So, tell me how you'll save that Pokémon. What can you do, Lily?

David Hernandez 5:05

Oh That's good, I like it.

Blackjack Gabbiani 5:08

Thank you. And then, another one I would really like to play, and it would kind of be two characters in one, uh, is Sada. And, I need your help. I am currently at the deepest point of Area Zero in the Great Crater of Paldeia. I have been researching the unique Pokémon here for a very long time. I'm asking the two of you to lend a hand to help carry out the final step of the great Professor Sada's glorious research. But there is something we need first. Something that could be found within that lab. What we need is the Scarlet Book.

David Hernandez 5:38

dude, that's awesome. Whoa

Blackjack Gabbiani 5:41

It is theoretically possible to travel to the past. However, for a being such as a human, it would not be possible to return to the present. Arvin, I If possible, I would like us to speak when we can meet face to face. Although, I, uh, asked my YouTube followers and I'm pretty sure the person they wanted me to play the most was Rika. And I, I just have her voice kind of down here like this, And she, she already kind of sounds like this,

David Hernandez 6:11

do you try to kind of give him the character's head to try to come up to with the tone you know, we don't,

Blackjack Gabbiani 6:16

Absolutely.

David Hernandez 6:17

Okay, so what comes to mind whenever you try to put yourself in like Professor Sada's kind of

Blackjack Gabbiani 6:21

Well, she was completely deranged. She wanted to basically create Jurassic World, for the sake of her son, who would have had none of it, and probably would have died. and the AI is trying to stop that, but she's hampered by her programming, so she has to be, she has to play this role, and, it's like she both is and isn't who she's pretending to be, you know? So, yeah. But I imagine like during the actual fight when the AI gets possessed by the security system. And I definitely got the impression that they were possessed by vengeful spirit of their creator.

David Hernandez 6:59

Oh, be surprised.

Blackjack Gabbiani 7:01

that, um, that the voice would be like all distorted and stuff in editing. But, you know, again, I don't really do Pokémon voice acting except for my playthrough videos

David Hernandez 7:11

you know, it's a good, interesting point about Professor Sata because it's like a Dr. Hecker, um, Dr. Heckle, Mr.

Blackjack Gabbiani 7:17

Jekyll and Mr. Hyde,

David Hernandez 7:19

Yeah, there we go. Jekyll Hyde kind of to where, exactly. But the thing is, is that, you know, they're trying to, you know, the AI is struggling trying to figure out which side it wants to be on because it's trying to obey the commands, but it's also trying to stop it.

Blackjack Gabbiani 7:32

The AIs, I really got the feeling that they deeply loved and respected their creators, but had to do this because it was what was good and logical. Not even what good, it was what was logical, because they realized that caring for others is logical.

David Hernandez 7:47

It's interesting, right? Cause you know, we always think like robots would never have emotion, but in a way they kind of

Blackjack Gabbiani 7:53

This is

David Hernandez 7:54

for

Blackjack Gabbiani 7:55

This is also a series where we have, accepted ducks made of programming code as a sapient species since generation one. So, having advanced AI like that really just kind of seems like the next step in the development of technology in that world. And talking about the AIs is going to segue into my fan fix because they're who've I've been writing about mostly. over the last two Ha ha

David Hernandez 8:21

what is about the AI characters that really interest you or like really kind draw that or you know Are you inspired

Blackjack Gabbiani 8:28

I've always liked characters that overcome their programming and become something more than they were meant to be. But programming was never so literal! Like, I've never really found a robot character that's really spoken to me like that. It's characters like Piccolo from Dragon Ball, or Kami White from Street Fighter, or Mitsumi from Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure, which is a manga that more people need to read. It's by Shigekatsu Ihara, and it's eight volumes, and it's only about Diamond, Pearl, Platinum. The, the main character is this wild boy named Harita, who's the Lucas Exp. he grew up in the woods, and was basically raised by Pokémon. And then Mitsumi is Rowan's assistant and she's sent out to go find him.

David Hernandez 9:13

Hmm.

Blackjack Gabbiani 9:17

she has heard something is up with Dialga and wants to go find it. And I'm not going to spoil something that you find out on the cover of Volume 5. Uh, like I said, it's eight volumes. But, The reason Mitsumi knew about this is because she's a former member of Team Galactic, and she ran away because she could no longer justify what they were doing. And Cyrus was kind of content to let her go as long as she didn't cause any trouble, but then they get involved with everything, and Yeah, it's It's, uh, yeah. It's a really good series. The ending's a little rushed, I think, because they were getting into HeartGold and SoulSilver at that point. And they needed to make room in the magazines. But everything that it ends with was set up in advance.

David Hernandez 10:09

So you're talking about how, you know, you enjoyed character being more than

Blackjack Gabbiani 10:13

Yeah. More than what they were meant to be.

David Hernandez 10:16

So I guess in a way because the AI wasn't following instructions, you saw that became more human, I guess, for Pokemon Scarlet and Violet specifically.

Blackjack Gabbiani 10:25

it was, I, I suppose, but it managed to be like a better person, not a better human, but a better person than its human creator. And I, I feel like that's really, a fascinating thing, like here's someone with the exact memories, the exact, I guess environmental input of its creator who is able to take a step back and view their goals objectively without the emotional attachment. They've seen all the emotions, they've felt all the emotions that their creator associates with this. And yet they look at the result that it would cause undue destruction and are like, this doesn't make any sense. You're going to kill everyone. And the professor was just like, nah, it's fine. Destruction is a part of life. It'll even out in the end. And then the professor dies saving their And even though it's never said, I feel like that's what, well, for one, their death gave the AI a bit more freedom to enact their plan of stopping paradise. but I also feel that the contradiction of someone who had been so dismissive of mass destruction and saying that it would be fine, that it's just a part of life, would die to save someone they loved. I feel like that really awakened something in the AIs and they were able to start, experiencing their own path in life. And one of the things that keeps coming up is whenever you talk to them about your ride dragon, they're saying, Stuff like, you know, please take it to so many places, have adventures with it. you know, make sure that it sees so much of Paldea. Because they want to see much of Paldea. They're, they're stuck in either the crater or the lab. They say, I cannot leave this place, but it's unclear what place they mean. but their existence is tied to the crystals around them. If they were to leave, they would lose power. I don't think they would die, but I think they would lose power. a thought about the ending, because I was terrified for, like, waiting for the DLC. I was terrified that it would say that they just, turned off and couldn't go on adventures of their own or whatever. or even, even because Dream Theory was big at the time, so I was worried that they could stop existing. But then, the part When you go down into the Under Depths and you encounter Terrapagos, and it, just being around it charges your orb so much that it never needs to be recharged, and thinking about how the AI took on so much terrestrial energy during the Paradise Protection Protocol stage. Like, that would have been terrifying. That scene is probably the closest to body horror this franchise has ever gotten. Well, it was! Like, when they're

David Hernandez 13:15

I know. Yeah, true though

Blackjack Gabbiani 13:16

see it's even inside their mouths. And their eyes are glitching really badly, and, uh, it must have been terrifying, but that also might have saved them. Because I feel like that's a similar charge to what your terror orb takes on. So I feel like that can give them the power to leave the lab and even the crater and have their own adventures for once. And be the free adventurers they wanted us to be.

David Hernandez 13:41

it's almost like in a way They're kind of the parents who are trying to give their kids, you know, the experience they can't

Blackjack Gabbiani 13:47

Yeah, yeah, well, I also also feel like the AIs loved Arvin as if he was their own son. I know the game doesn't actually say that, but I really feel like that's, that's, In there.

David Hernandez 13:59

that's the tragic part about Arvin. Like Arvin has a very tragic story. Neither one of his parents really loved him.

Blackjack Gabbiani 14:05

Well, they, they did love him, but they couldn't express it. Like, it was their goal, you find out in their journal, to basically go home and be with him. It's a paradise where we three can live happily. And the three would be them, Arvin, and the Paradox Dragon. And That's what they wanted, but they couldn't stop working. They wanted to go home to Arvin. And in the epilogue, in the crystal pool scene, where you give them the white book, we know that the professor from our timeline interacted in a similar way. They received the white book from a child at the crystal pool. But, the professor from our timeline did not give up their copy of Heath's book. So this has to be a different universe that we're interacting with. Because if they had given up their copy of Heath's book, Arvin couldn't have found it at the lighthouse, so Mombastiff would have been screwed.

David Hernandez 15:01

Right. True. And the reason why I say his parents didn't love This is my perspective. He was always going to be second place to their work. He was never going to be number one, even going back home. They're not going just with Arvin. They're going with their work. And, it took an AI to kind of finally tell Arvin that he was cared for by his

Blackjack Gabbiani 15:23

Mm hmm.

David Hernandez 15:24

And that's kind of where I was coming from to where, you know, yes, they may love them to the degree, but they don't love them as much as their work. They're very work holics. They're very, you know, dedicated to what they're research and what they're trying to do. And Arvin is always going to be second

Blackjack Gabbiani 15:38

yeah, it feels like, like people have said this, obsession is one of the big themes of Scarlet and Violet. And that's another thing that drew me to it. I mean, I, I love obsessive characters. I've, I've spent far too long writing a backstory for the collector from the second movie.

David Hernandez 15:58

Oh, he's such an untapped character. Like I wish they had like dived into more. That's been the most frustrating part about Pokemon. It's like they have some interesting characters, but you don't really get the chance to dive into them because like a one cameo

Blackjack Gabbiani 16:10

Well, most of his personality is in his image song, which only exists on the Japanese movie soundtrack. It's not even in the Japanese movie, it's just on the soundtrack. Because they got Takashi Kaga to voice him, and I guess you're not going to have him without having him sing.

David Hernandez 16:26

Right.

Blackjack Gabbiani 16:28

In the prism, I want to hold the woman I've locked away. That is my

David Hernandez 16:50

Hey, I was gonna let you go off. I was like, hey, she wants to sing. Go for it. I'm not gonna stop her. But I'm sorry. Stop you. I'm sorry. Stop you. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Stop you. But, you know, I know we kind of started with Scarlet and Violet the recent one. There's a lot could dive into, but let's start from the origin. Let's start from the beginning. you know, what is that first initial experience of Pokemon for

Blackjack Gabbiani 17:10

Um, well I was working in the school library And the whole Porygon incident, seizure thing was in the news. So, me and the brother of one of my friends, were like, what is this Pokemon thing? And so we looked it up, and we only saw Pikachu, right? Because that was the only one they were putting in their articles. And I'm like, oh, that's hella cute. So, When I saw it on TV a few months later, I was like, Oh, this is hella cute. I think the first one I saw was the Battling Eevee Brothers. Uh, which, you know, is an episode of rather suspect quality, as you recall, especially in English. Eevee, where did you go to? But, uh, but yeah, I was like, Oh, this is charming. And so I got red version. And then. a little bit playing into red version. I was like, oh, this is cool. I want to start over from the beginning. I want to see, I want to, I want to see what happens if I make different choices. And where did my first save file go?

David Hernandez 18:13

Oh,

Blackjack Gabbiani 18:14

I was so used to games having three save files as a default. I didn't even question that there might only be one.

David Hernandez 18:20

Yeah, forgot about that. Yeah.

Blackjack Gabbiani 18:23

I don't remember who my first starter was. Oh,

David Hernandez 18:27

It was one of the three. Yeah. Oh,

Blackjack Gabbiani 18:29

I recently found my gold version again and the battery exploded. So I can't really consult that one either. but then I, played Sapphire. And by that point I was already like really in the fandom. I think second gen is when I really got involved in the fandom. I was a mod on Bulbagarden for a while. I was one of the fanfic creators. and I don't remember the first Pokémon fanfic I wrote. I honestly could not tell you. it might Oh gosh, was it about Giovanni? I don't remember. This is

David Hernandez 19:03

considering you want to be a villain, it'd probably be kind of on point.

Blackjack Gabbiani 19:06

huh.

David Hernandez 19:57

I want to ask you something real quick. Because I know you said, you know, you're more on the older side of the Pokemon audience. At least that's what, you know, you feel like. So, I've had a lot of other guests who are older, when Pokemon came out, they felt like it was past them. You clearly didn't have that. What about Pokemon, you know, engaged you even at an older age? That you enjoyed, that let you be more involved?

Blackjack Gabbiani 20:20

Well, I mean, I like video games.

David Hernandez 20:24

Okay.

Blackjack Gabbiani 20:25

the first game just had an excuse plot, but I liked running around and finding monsters. know, it was certainly no Final Fantasy VI, or III as we knew it back then, because this was the 90s. Ha ha ha. and I just thought it was cute, the show was cute, The Rocket Trio are fantastic.

David Hernandez 20:46

Mm hmm.

Blackjack Gabbiani 20:47

I feel like they appealed to the older audience the most. cause, you know, they are older. they're supposed to be like in their early twenties. and then, like, Meowth is clearly, like, he's presented like a grumpy old man, but he's also didn't really experience a childhood, so he's very immature while pretending to be the responsible adult.

David Hernandez 21:11

I mean, it's a mix of, like, very A child basically having a tragic childhood, considering, you know, you let her learn about how, like, you learned how to speak, all the rejection and everything, so it makes sense

Blackjack Gabbiani 21:21

And I mean, on the one hand, she was kind of right to reject him, but on the other hand, it's like, you know, at least acknowledge him. Don't call him a freak. Just say you're not interested. Well,

David Hernandez 21:32

ha Getting flashbacks right now, Chaga stories in Pokemon are.

Blackjack Gabbiani 21:38

also had a big influence on his English voice actress. if you notice, originally she was credited as Adam. but, she said that, Meowth having to be honest with himself and, you Except who he really is, encouraged her to come out. So you notice that later on she's credited as Madeline.

David Hernandez 21:58

And then I remember some of the stories I remember a lot of the ones that always get to me or the fire types, especially

Blackjack Gabbiani 22:03

Oh, golly, yeah.

David Hernandez 22:05

yeah, that's it's

Blackjack Gabbiani 22:06

it's interesting seeing different people's takes on that. Like there's an official manga, Electric Tale of Pikachu, where the reason that Charmander is out there is not because Damien abandoned him, but because Damien was, like, hit by a car and was in the hospital. So at the end of the issue, he, like, staggers up in bandages.

David Hernandez 22:25

really and that changes completely in anime.

Blackjack Gabbiani 22:30

I, well, no, cause in the anime, Damien had just abandoned him. He was just like, yeah, he's a weakling, so I just left him out there. And Brock is like, YOU BITCH!

David Hernandez 22:39

pretty much. Yeah

Blackjack Gabbiani 22:41

Brock literally beats the crap out of him in the Pokémon Center. It's fantastic.

David Hernandez 22:47

Yeah,

Blackjack Gabbiani 22:48

And he was right to do it.

David Hernandez 22:50

exactly. Yeah. But in the, in the manga it's because he was hit by a truck

Blackjack Gabbiani 22:53

I don't remember exactly, but he said it was an accident. But he was in the hospital and he's got like bandages and crutches and stuff. this is in the, specifically the Electric Tale of Pikachu manga. Which is based on the anime but took big liberties with it. It's It's also the one with the, uh, artist they will never, ever, ever hire again, because he wrote some, shall we say, unofficial chapters. Yeah. It's also the one that they had to tone down even in Japan, like between the magazine volumes and the bound volumes. For similar reasons, let's just say the ladies working at the Pokemon Center had, uh, Pokeball designs on very specific parts of their uniforms.

David Hernandez 23:43

If you know, you

Blackjack Gabbiani 23:44

Yeah,

David Hernandez 23:47

Mm-hmm

Blackjack Gabbiani 23:49

so yeah, it was, interesting, especially considering some of that stuff even gets through to the English version, but also, one thing that, they didn't even try to take out was actually, it's funny because this goes back to the battling Evie brothers. They try to have like a cult sort of presentation to their challenges and uh One of them is like writhe within the fires of damnation and uh, the other another one is like, feel the I don't know something about the thunder of damnation and ash is like well is damnation all they ever talk about if you were hit thunder salvation, you would be saved wouldn't you?

David Hernandez 24:31

Hey,

Blackjack Gabbiani 24:31

And this was all Official Viz Translated Dialogue. So, yeah, that was actually one of the things about, like, like, hey, there is an older audience for this. Otherwise, they wouldn't be writing it like this, would they?

David Hernandez 24:43

But it's just something that people don't realize is out there until you actually find just something, Pokemon doesn't really, I don't say promote, but it's just not something that they really advertise, at least on the American side.

Blackjack Gabbiani 24:53

well, then, like, also, you get into things like, I mean, the original plot, you know, in the very first game, even though it was, as I plot, you, you're, you're stopping the Yakuza. is what you're doing. You are an 11 year old going up against organized crime, and it's like, what, what in the heck? And they, they imply some very, very horrible things about the Pokemon world even that early on, and I know that Junichi Masuda has been like, oh yeah, this is a fantastic world. Uh, if there was any war, it was a long time ago, and it's like, Dude, you worked on Generation 1. Lieutenant Surge is not that old. And then he's like, Hi, uh, you know, people are more likely to help each other. Saying this in an interview before Generation 6 came out, which has a post game that focuses on a homeless, illiterate teenager who wears rags. Yeah, Masuda, I do not think you know what you're talking about. I think you're full of shit.

David Hernandez 25:58

Oh my gosh.

Blackjack Gabbiani 26:00

like, okay, how much more likely to help each other, uh? Uh, uh, uh.

David Hernandez 26:06

Right But that's the thing though. That's what I love about Pokemon. You know, there's stuff for where it's surface level, right? You said, you know, Jen won this example you know, it's a cop out. then, you know, if you dive into it, you see a lot of more complex subtleties that can easily miss unless for those who are maybe more dedicated trying to

Blackjack Gabbiani 26:24

hmm. Well, even Generation 2, with its also kind of bare bones plot, has stuff like, tradition being overridden by modern technology even though they can easily coexist. That's what Kurt does.

David Hernandez 26:38

Right.

Blackjack Gabbiani 26:38

That's why the bronze tower and the tin tower are so important as well. And that's why Ecruteak looks the way it does because they're maintaining the past, even in the modern era. And, you know, there's, there's no reason those can't coexist. There's no reason we can't have all of those things. And I know the region of Japan that it's based on kind of has that more frequently than the Tokyo area that the Kanto region is based on. Um, yeah, so it's really nice to see, like, these national flavors and regional flavors, even though those regions in real life and in the game are right next to each other.

David Hernandez 27:12

I was gonna say, even if you think about Lavender Town, they replaced the Pokemon Tower with the Radio Tower,

Blackjack Gabbiani 27:17

Yeah, like, who

David Hernandez 27:18

that could, that's basic. Except that, but that happens though, because it's like, well they're already dead, you know, what can you do? It's time to, you know, build something. It's out with the old, in with the new is kind of the old

Blackjack Gabbiani 27:27

Yeah, but in a world where ghosts are real? And angry?

David Hernandez 27:32

That hasn't stopped anything. Have you seen the Pokemon World? Poco Ghosts is not gonna stop people. Ghosts don't even stop us here. But that's what I mean, it tackles the issue of like, you know, what part do we remember and what part do try to, you know, build up on top of over

Blackjack Gabbiani 27:50

And actually, that's one of the reasons I really liked PLA. It gets into, not just the recent past with, the two clans, but also the ancient past with the Celestica people. And it was, I really wish we knew more about them because apparently they're the ones who also built the Sinjo ruins. They highly revered Arceus. Arceus ditched them. That caused Volo's bitterness, even though I really don't subscribe to the immortal Volo theory. I think it's possible that he could be extremely long lived, but I don't think he was there for the original Celestica. I think he only learned about them through his ruin exploration and through Kageta. But, Kageta seems to have been there. She actually seems to be immortal. she at this point is so mum about things because she doesn't like what happened. She also seems to think that teaching legends causes people like Volo to act out. And it makes me wonder about her own past and why is she immortal? Did she do something? What's going on here?

David Hernandez 29:00

right,

Blackjack Gabbiani 29:01

But it also shows that legends aren't fixed and set in stone, you know? the two clans learned that what they had been told wasn't the full story. It's like, what they had learned had happened, yes, but not it wasn't everything that had happened. and so they both had the truth on their side. And the, Commodore learned he's, he's not gonna fuck with people from now on because he was being a grade A douchebag. And, you know, Commodore had every right to want to find a home after what had happened to his people. because, it's implied that his town was destroyed by something I've heard a theory that he may be from the town from the Lake of Rage that was scrapped from the original Gen 2. There was supposed to be a town there, so I've seen a theory that he was from there and, he lost everything, including his wife, in a Gyarados rampage. I've also seen people theorize that a Snorlax ate everything in the town and everyone starved. and that might be the Snorlax he uses, but I, I

David Hernandez 30:09

Oh, that'd be gruesome. My god

Blackjack Gabbiani 30:11

Cause one of the dex entries, it might be in that game, says that Snorlax will eat the food stores of entire towns. But yeah, just,

David Hernandez 30:20

next

Blackjack Gabbiani 30:20

yeah, it's just Komodo's want to protect his people turned him paranoid. And he became, frankly, evil. You know, he was going to go to war with sovereign nations if they helped you. So, he learned basically, don't fuck with nature or you'll get your ass kicked. It's kind of like, if you've ever seen Princess Mononoke, it's kind of like Lady Eboshi. Although she lost an arm for her lessons. Commodore got humiliated.

David Hernandez 30:48

my gosh. I mean, I'll take the humiliation over losing

Blackjack Gabbiani 30:52

Yeah,

David Hernandez 30:53

I'd like to have both arms, honestly, so

Blackjack Gabbiani 30:55

Yeah, it's like, we definitely understand, you know, she is justified in wanting to protect her people, but not to the point of trying to kill the nature god.

David Hernandez 31:03

Right, right.

Blackjack Gabbiani 31:04

but then like, Kageta doesn't really seem to learn much, Volo definitely doesn't learn much, but Giratina does. Giratina learns it's been kind of a dick, and so it's own legends change, and even though it still goes and hides in the distortion world, it's implied that that's the whole plot there is the whole reason that it went and stopped Cyrus in Platinum. It's like, Oh, not this shit again! Come on! Come on, you're coming a timeout!

David Hernandez 31:37

We're not doing it. Yeah.

Blackjack Gabbiani 31:40

Actually, Cyrus is one of my favorite characters in this franchise. I did an essay, a video essay about why I like him so much and it was over an hour long. Help me.

David Hernandez 31:53

Well, let's do the cliff notes and I'll try to make sure to help you out you know, why is Cyrus You know your favorite

Blackjack Gabbiani 31:58

Well, he's fascinating, really, and one of the issues that I touch on at the end of the presentation is that a lot, a lot of people say they don't understand his motives, but I think makes a lot of sense because I mean, I sound great right now and everything, but I was not happy growing up. I had a lot of pressure on me. And, there were times where I really did lose hope in the world. And I feel like wanting to change that, no matter what it takes, is a very powerful motivator. And if, All your emotional expressions are negative, like Cyrus's are, if all you've ever known is disappointment and pressure, because his parents put a lot of pressure on him to be perfect, and the one person he could have relied on who noticed that he was falling apart, his grandfather, mentions, you know, maybe I should have helped him.

David Hernandez 33:01

hmm. Mm hmm.

Blackjack Gabbiani 33:02

It's like, if the one person who notices that you're having a problem doesn't do anything, of course you're going to associate emotions with pain.

David Hernandez 33:10

It's gonna change for

Blackjack Gabbiani 33:11

Yeah. And if you're always pressured to be perfect, what could be more perfect than a god? So I think it made absolutely perfect sense what he was doing. I mean, he's obviously insane, but I feel like there's a reason that official media, the manga I was talking about earlier, Diamond and Pearl Adventure, as well as Poku Special, give him the chance to turn his life around. He actually does realize that he was doing something wrong, and that, because he's flawed. Any world he creates would be flawed. So he stops and he tries to find another way to fix things, and he does. The story doesn't quite get him to the point where he does or where we see what he tries, but in both series, they have Charron being the subsequent threat. And, having him go up against a foe like that. Because in Diamond and Pearl Adventure they make Charon the most evil little sumbitch. He will, like, he's out there like brainwashing Pokemon and possibly people. the, the way he makes his new leadership known to the public is by sending suicide bombers to the league. they don't succeed in blowing up the league, but they had a big bomb planted under the stadium. And, like, the main characters, like, all light screen around it, and prevent it from blowing anything up. but, that does not change that he was attempting to do that, and he intended to send all those people to their deaths. I'm assuming they just got arrested instead.

David Hernandez 34:40

So with Cyrus, you know, you talked about how people don't understand But, you know, as you said, you know, he couldn't live up to standards. You know, he got turned away from the person he loved, which is what caused him to kind of have a heel turn, I guess, in a way, to where he had this motivation to, you know, For, you know, what I know it as is rid the world of emotion, rid it of everything. And in a way he just not only want to be God, he wanted to give people the idea that, or give people the opportunity to be perfect that he couldn't be as well. I

Blackjack Gabbiani 35:06

Right,

David Hernandez 35:07

Because he saw emotion as kind of, I guess, weakness in a way to where, you know, it's better just to be mechanically. Perfect, you know, no emotion, nothing that could like make you go left or right, you know, course There is that god complex which I think is pretty interesting as well because then people would look up to him and kind of worship Him because it's kind of his own universe So I think that's a very interesting compelling argument and it also shows the idea that, you know, villains aren't, you know, crazy. Nobody's born evil. They have reason behind the madness. The best villains have a very solid reason behind do what they do. Hey,

Blackjack Gabbiani 35:42

are not insane. Like, Lusamine is Giovanni isn't. He's greedy, he's selfish, he's evil. and then on the other hand, you also have hero characters who I think could probably be qualified as insane. Nimona. For instance.

David Hernandez 35:59

a vibe, man. I

Blackjack Gabbiani 36:00

Oh, I love that girl has some issues.

David Hernandez 36:04

yeah, just wants to battle all day. Yeah. Mm

Blackjack Gabbiani 36:07

Yeah, and, you know, getting into her psychology is interesting because, that is all she has in life. you know, you said earlier that Arvin's parents didn't love him. Even though they did, they just didn't express it. I don't think Nimonas actually do love her. I think they're what people interpret Arvin's parents as being like. Because her parents have basically written her out. They don't talk to her. Like, the entire game, there is no communication. we don't even get the name of her sister. A lot of people think that her parents are the Glitterati. That's not true. They're in real estate. Her parents are specifically stated to be on the board of the Rotom phone company.

David Hernandez 36:46

Well, I mean, Even if you look at that group of, uh, Demona, Arvin, the main character, and eventually Penny, they're all kind of misfits in

Blackjack Gabbiani 36:53

Oh, totally. Uh, the main character has, you know, they're new to the region. They don't know anything that's going on. They're just kind of pushed into things. Like, the history teacher is like, hey, so, you know those legends I was talking about in class that are gonna destroy, that have already destroyed the region? I want you to go find them. I'll give you extra credit. I'm totally not a supervillain.

David Hernandez 37:19

Totally not.

Blackjack Gabbiani 37:20

Totally not. You can trust me on that. I gave Raiford southern accent because I feel like she might be from Ori. Ori needs to be used

David Hernandez 37:28

Oh, man, I wish they'd dive into Ori. You know, just real quick, you know the one character I wish that pisses me off that they've never dived into? Wes.

Blackjack Gabbiani 37:39

Oh, God! I know! What is his

David Hernandez 37:41

It bugs the hell out of me like all we know is you know He used to work for the antagonist team snag

Blackjack Gabbiani 37:49

Mm

David Hernandez 37:50

for some reason he betrayed him He went and caught the snag

Blackjack Gabbiani 37:55

Yeah, it's not even known why. It's like, did he realize that they were up to bullshit and he wanted to stop them? Or did

David Hernandez 38:03

even I don't

Blackjack Gabbiani 38:05

I

David Hernandez 38:05

Honestly, I think it's the latter.

Blackjack Gabbiani 38:07

there was the rumor that he was supposed to be the, villain from XD and they changed it, but apparently that wasn't true.

David Hernandez 38:12

I don't know but it I think cuz It would have been, I would have made perfect sense. And then, imagine Rui's the second in command at that point.

Blackjack Gabbiani 38:21

Oh God. I,

David Hernandez 38:28

just the idea of how he started is so get nothing on the

Blackjack Gabbiani 38:32

I feel like Colosseum would make a really good live action movie.

David Hernandez 38:36

I'll watch

Blackjack Gabbiani 38:37

I mean, you'd need, you know, someone who's like 8 feet tall to play Mirror B, but Actually, I guess he's not really all that tall, it's just his

David Hernandez 38:45

No, he's He's not

Blackjack Gabbiani 38:46

lot taller. He's not like a lot of the huge guys in Ori, because oh my god, what is Is there hormones in the Is that what's going on there?

David Hernandez 38:57

Hey, something's in that, uh, Fnac Waterman, and they grow big over there.

Blackjack Gabbiani 39:01

Oh my lord. Oh It would be amazing to have a live action movie like that. It would be like, you know, people want live action movies to be gritty and stuff. And it's like, yeah, there's grit, there's sand everywhere.

David Hernandez 39:17

my gosh,

Blackjack Gabbiani 39:18

And they could film it in Arizona. It's the first American region.

David Hernandez 39:23

It really is, although Pokemon won't acknowledge it, but still, it is the first region.

Blackjack Gabbiani 39:27

hmm.

David Hernandez 39:30

that came to mind. It's like that. That's the one thing I hated. That's a lot of things. There's a couple of things I hate about Pokemon Colosseum. I still love the game, but the character development is just awful. Especially for, I would love to know more about Mirror Bee. I would love to know the rise for Venus. Dakeem, I can kind of take or leave it at this point. And then, you know, it's just, there's so much potential in that region. It's like,

Blackjack Gabbiani 39:50

golly. You know, Ayn totally has to be in with Culriss at some point. He has to be. They're basically the guy.

David Hernandez 39:57

they are.

Blackjack Gabbiani 39:59

more casual in his approach.

David Hernandez 40:02

He's more fancy, I like,

Blackjack Gabbiani 40:03

Culriss gonna eat bagel sandwich at his desk, like on the, on that one TCG card.

David Hernandez 40:09

Yes, yes, yes.

Blackjack Gabbiani 40:11

Ayn would never. Ayn probably has a very sterile work environment. But, like, their work is so identical.

David Hernandez 40:20

Oh, yeah.

Blackjack Gabbiani 40:21

I just feel like the mad scientist would really get along. Um, like, uh, Ayn and Coleris and Xeroxic. you know, they'd be talking about that, the post game X and Y plot. It's like, well, of course you had to kidnap the girl and force her into the brainwashing suit, because how else were you going to get the, the policeman's attention? Charon would be off to the side like, WHAT?! You young folk are incomprehensible to You young folk are incomprehensible to me. But you see, like, all these scenarios of what characters could interact, it's why I love Masters, despite the gameplay being absolute ass. Nobody plays Masters for the gameplay. They play it because is fanfiction.

David Hernandez 41:07

Yes. If you ever want to know more about the characters and see how they would interact, play Pokemon Masters. That's all it is. Forget about the gameplay. Just go for the

Blackjack Gabbiani 41:15

Unless you're a Courtney fan, Courtney was done damn dirty. Courtney's, Day With event is really, really bad, and just, I think it's really out of character. Because the whole thing is that she doesn't know how to give negative feedback. that's like, all she knows how to do is praise, and it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And then on the other hand you have a character like Chairman Rose who is better explored in his day with event than he was in the entirety of Sword and Shield.

David Hernandez 41:46

Me and Chairman Rose have a I don't, I don't agree with heel turn. I try to, but doesn't

Blackjack Gabbiani 41:53

I think one of the things about Rose is that it's, he genuinely wants to help Galar, is the way I interpreted it, but he also really wants to be remembered forever. he has a line about seeing Leon as A knight in shining armor coming to save a princess from a dragon. So he has this very romantic dream in the sense, where his desire to be a romantic hero led him to be manipulated by the sorceress.

David Hernandez 42:27

Yeah.

Blackjack Gabbiani 42:28

he wants to be, that's why he couldn't wait one more day. Because if it was one more day, Leon might not be the champion. And thus, his champion wouldn't be the one who defeated the Dragon.

David Hernandez 42:41

Right. I don't My always issue with Rose has always been I mean, I get what they're going for, but it feels like it kind of wasn't done

Blackjack Gabbiani 42:50

Yeah, it really wasn't. He's very much in the vein of Maxie and Archie, I think, but

David Hernandez 42:56

Yes.

Blackjack Gabbiani 42:57

driven than I think either them were.

David Hernandez 43:00

Well, I actually understand Maxie more. So that's just more just do Pokemon not doing their plot well, but

Blackjack Gabbiani 43:06

Yeah, well, Maxie and Archie were based on a real debate over land development, or land reclamation, rather, that was going so it was based on that debate. But, you know, with the addition of fantastical monsters, and the ability to extend this to the entire planet, and so on. And that's actually something else I really like about Pokémon. How they can make stories that are fantastical, but will resonate on a personal level. that's why I loved Sun and Moon. Lily's story was very evocative because at the end of the day, you know, you put the aliens aside and all of that stuff. And what you have is a story about two kids fleeing from their abusive parent who herself is suffering from survivor's guilt. After the loss of her husband, and she, she doesn't know that he's right over there on Bean Island. She doesn't know that. and he doesn't know that either. He's lost his memory. He barely remembers his own name. And uh, she thinks he's somewhere in ultra space and similar to Scarlet and Violet the theme with Her is really her obsession. she's so fixated on getting him back. And then it twists in her mind to becoming fixated with the creatures that took him. And she dresses Lily up like one of them. And she styles herself like another one. And we Gladion would have looked like because he ran off, presumably, before that happened. And then when, when he does, she just denies he exists because everything has to be just the way Mon left it. She freezes what I presume are his Pokemon. I'm not, I'm not sure if they're ever identified, but just nothing can change. Shoo. Has to look young because she was young when he disappeared her children have to remain small They can't grow so she stunts Lily's development as a person and prevents her from being independent And so that's why she's almost completely unable to fend for herself. It has to depend on Kukui it's really an interesting story, and I feel like a lot of people missed out because they were like, Oh, the tutorial takes too long, this game is for babies. It's I mean, yeah, the tutorial does kind of take too long. But, what?

David Hernandez 45:26

well and the thing I feel like a lot of people miss out on the Fox you know, I see a lot of Christians for Scarlet and Violet, but I love the story behind it and You know the games that people rave about like X and Y bug the hell of me because I just don't get team flair

Blackjack Gabbiani 45:40

Oh god, Flare comes off to me like Galactic's cutting room floor.

David Hernandez 45:45

They're bare

Blackjack Gabbiani 45:46

actually that that's that's something I feel like was a mixed opportunity by having BDSP be almost identical to the original. I feel like they really could have had Sycamore as one of Rowan's assistants because we know he studied with Rowan and I really wanted there to be a part where Lissandra showed up and heard about Galactic, and then that was it and we never got any further. Because it really seems like he's heard about Galactic, and then got everything about them wrong. I wanted him to show up to visit Sycamore and just be like, Oh, okay. but see, that's why I write fanfiction, so I can actually do things like that. I haven't written that specific story, but I write a whole bunch of random bullshit. Like, if I get an idea in my head, sometimes I'll just write a little thing. Like, I wrote a recent 100 word story. where Clavel finds out about all the bullying happening at Blueberry Academy. And enrolls Clive as a new student so he can investigate.

David Hernandez 46:50

Oh, my gosh.

Blackjack Gabbiani 46:52

I would, like, I even said in the notes, if someone wants to write a longer story about this, go ahead.

David Hernandez 46:57

So with a fanfic, you don't just stick to like with the plot, like how it came out, you actually sometimes go like, you know, what if kind of direction

Blackjack Gabbiani 47:04

like, even with something like that, I figure it could happen after the game ends. A lot of authors, fanfic authors, will throw canon out the window, or they'll just, they'll write about entirely new characters. and then, of course, there's also what if someone, you know, is in the society and they don't want to be a trainer? Like,

David Hernandez 47:25

had that with a may in a

Blackjack Gabbiani 47:27

yeah, but then she wanted to do contests and stuff. I guess at the beginning she didn't really like Pokemon at all. But, I'd like to see someone who wants to be, like we had Brock wanting to be a breeder or Gary wanting to be a professor.

David Hernandez 47:43

Mm

Blackjack Gabbiani 47:43

took Gary long enough to come to that, but Also, Gary witnessed a bunch of people die, and I don't think people talk about that enough, because one of his Like, after watching Jay's ship explode, he wasn't in the anime for like 10 years.

David Hernandez 47:58

I can't, I can't blame him. Hey, that's going to cause somebody to need to step a bit. so you want to see somebody who doesn't want the interaction with Pokemon?

Blackjack Gabbiani 48:11

Well, like, they could have like a pet or something, but they're not in that as a career. Like, we have athletes in that world. we have, business people. We have scientists, even though most of them are dealing with Pokemon. You know, we have educators, all kinds of stuff. Like, Salvatore. Talks about he's never really been much with Pokemon, and then when that Palmy with no voice shows up, that's supposedly his first Pokemon, I think. But Like, there's all these little angles and stuff, like, cause I, have a pet parrot. my goal is to have a nice aviary. I don't know if that's ever going to happen, but. you know, it doesn't mean that I want to work with birds professionally, but I like, yes, I like having a bunch of birds. They're fun, it is like having a toddler around, you know, for 50 plus years. Because I have an African Grey, and they can live to be 50 to 60, and she is 27! She is old enough to run

David Hernandez 49:13

I have you thought about pushing it out and just say, Hey, go start a villainous team for a Pokemon game. Come back.

Blackjack Gabbiani 49:24

laughter I tell that would be something really fun. If they gave us a team where a Pokémon was actually in charge of it.

David Hernandez 49:29

That would be hilarious. That'd be fun

Blackjack Gabbiani 49:31

mean, they already had something like, Calyrex.

David Hernandez 49:34

Yeah. Well, I mean, Mewtwo is the original Mewtwo in a way was one of them,

Blackjack Gabbiani 49:38

yeah, yeah, but it didn't really have a team. It just had, like, a bunch of clones it made, and Yeah, it would be just, like, because Mystery Dungeon does it, but Mystery Dungeon is Mystery Dungeon, you know, everyone's a there, except for, Gengar, who used to be human, and then the player character also used to be human in, I think, most of the games? I don't think it's all of them, but, heh heh.

David Hernandez 50:03

I'm trying to think, I feel like there was a character who just. Didn't want I guess I can't I feel like there's a character somewhere. It's a minor character that had that but it's hard because To have a character like that would basically almost the opposite of n in a way You know, to where N grew up around Pokemon was able to develop a connection, but to have somebody who doesn't, you know, who doesn't want that connection, because I feel like what you're asking for is basically every side character. I think what you're kind of aiming towards is somebody who just doesn't want that relationship with Pokemon no matter what, which is the opposite

Blackjack Gabbiani 50:39

not necessarily. Just

David Hernandez 50:40

Because, you know, everybody in there

Blackjack Gabbiani 50:42

life it. I'm sorry,

David Hernandez 50:45

but that's, but that's most of the NPCs there though.

Blackjack Gabbiani 50:48

Maybe, but even then, most of them will have a Pokemon they battle with, and that, you know, just to have a battle ready Pokemon takes a lot of effort.

David Hernandez 50:58

Not necessarily. Because keep in mind, you know, the Pokemon games are built upon battling. That's the main center component. So you are always in the more, I guess, quote unquote, competitive side of the Pokemon

Blackjack Gabbiani 51:10

Like, that's your, uh, that's your perspective as the player character.

David Hernandez 51:15

In my opinion. Yes know, cause the goal is always to battle the gyms, which are usually the more tougher trainers. you've got people who don't ever try for that. They just stay in the town. They just do, random stuff.

Blackjack Gabbiani 51:26

hmm.

David Hernandez 51:27

If makes sense.

Blackjack Gabbiani 51:28

Yeah, I guess, I guess. Although, apparently, you can also get really tough without even trying at it, cause Arvin's always like, yeah, oh, I'm, I'm a terrible battler, you're gonna walk all over me. He kicked my ass! Hssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

David Hernandez 51:45

But you see what I'm saying? Like, I just, I'm trying to think like what that would be. And I just can't. The only one I could think of would have to be the complete opposite of an extreme that to kind of come. opinion, you know, know. I don't know. I'm trying to think on the top. You know, this is how people know. It's like, I don't really come in here planned. I just the top of my head and

Blackjack Gabbiani 52:02

Well, I mean, I do feel like we're having a great discussion about character analysis, and story analysis, and the world in general. I was talking about, like, how a lot people will write about the established world, but have entirely original characters for it, and tell a story that is just entirely made up. It takes place in the world we know, but not with any of the plot elements. Like, you can have a fix set in Kanto that doesn't deal with any of the Kanto stuff and just has, like, I don't know, kids growing up in Celadon. I, I, I don't know. That's probably several fix. I'm not thinking of anything in particular.

David Hernandez 52:47

Well, I mean, that's the great part about fanfic is you can kind of write about the holes that they perceive within, you know, the world of Pokemon that Pokemon either hasn't touched or doesn't touch, you know, to their liking, you know, for example, you've touched on some of the characters who just, you want more story behind So for me, I used to try to do fanfic a couple of years it was Pokemon. And for me, it was more of the idea of what is the Pokemon's interactions on a daily basis. Because, you know, these are, you know, in a nutshell, they're animals. Animals usually have some form of conflict, especially if you read the Pokédex entries. So, I went through a stage for probably maybe two or three years to where I would write fanfics about certain Pokémon and, you know, how they related into their own world without the trainer. It's almost similar to, I think, I want to say it's probably Pokémon I think it's, not Journeys, it's Pokémon, like, Masters. It's like a brief series to where they talked about some of the more minor characters. it's just Pokémon in a way.

Blackjack Gabbiani 53:43

yeah, like, uh, Evolutions and, The other ones like that, Generations.

David Hernandez 53:50

Yeah. Well, Generations was like all the games. This one, it was like, Pokemon had like a small series to where they touched on. Very small. Basically, um, do you remember the episode for the anime where they got shipwrecked had their own episode and they just had

Blackjack Gabbiani 54:06

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,

David Hernandez 54:07

Kind of like that kind of stuff. Yeah. Kind of like that stuff, but it's just Pokemon who've lived in there. For example, one story I wrote was about the Viridian forest and it was about, you know, this hierarchy and, you know, Caterpie who refused to evolve evolution is basically a society that pride itself on evolving because that's how, you know, they protect themselves as Butterfree's and whatnot, and bee drills and all that, and then they have like their own kind of worlds, and that's kind of the part that I've always been more keen into writing when I used to write more because I feel like there's more interaction within Pokemon and developing like stories behind that way just trying to build more of the flesh out for the Pokemon side of things, if that makes sense.

Blackjack Gabbiani 54:46

Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I, do find it hard to write from that perspective because I rely so much on dialogue. so it's harder for me to write from a StrictlyPokemon perspective unless they're the sort that can communicated words.

David Hernandez 55:01

But that's interesting because, you know, we start from two different places. Obviously you start from the dialogue of the character. I start from the Pokedex entries and that's kind of the cool part about fanfic is everybody starts from a different origin, but it's all kind of encompasses Pokemon in a way.

Blackjack Gabbiani 55:15

Uh huh.

David Hernandez 55:16

So What are some of your more notable ones that maybe people should check

Blackjack Gabbiani 55:19

Mm. Okay, well, in addition to Obsession, which is the one about the art collector, I used his Japanese name, Gerardin, in it because when I started writing it I didn't even know he had an English name, which is Lawrence, even though I'm using English names for everyone else, so, b bear with me,

David Hernandez 55:37

No, I mean, he got, he got bad named.

Blackjack Gabbiani 55:41

yeah,

David Hernandez 55:42

listen, if I say Lawrence, do you hear a bad guy in that name? Hell no. That's why I said he got shafted. He should have gotten something more, I don't know, better. He should have gotten a better name

Blackjack Gabbiani 55:53

Girardin, Girardin is kind of, it's interesting because it's supposedly derived from René Girard, who was a French philosopher who's talked about things like the Ways that myths will affect the modern world, and that is kind of the role in the movie. He hears this story about how to summon Lugia, and he's like, awesome. And you look at the movie, he's the only one who believes it. Even the people having the festival on the island don't believe it. The chief, or whoever he is, even says that it's something they do for the tourists. And then everything turns out to be true and the only person who believed it was the villain.

David Hernandez 56:38

Ironically enough, right?

Blackjack Gabbiani 56:39

Yeah, yeah. It's like, it's kind of like, dude. You know what the Silver Wing is, right?

David Hernandez 56:46

hmm,

Blackjack Gabbiani 56:47

It's looking, like, yes, from an out of universe perspective, that hadn't been made yet, because Shudo's intention was for Lugia to only be in the movie, was surprised when it showed up in a game, even though he really should have foreseen that. And so it's like, yeah, from an out of universe perspective, yeah, stuff like the Silver Wing didn't exist. From an in universe perspective, it very much did. And it's a hell of a lot better known than a legend no one believes in. Yeah, it's

David Hernandez 57:18

kind of goes I mean pokemon does that all the time though, right to where Everybody thinks it's like urban legends, right? I think of pacifidlog town where it's built on ancestors who are trying to find the I believe the reggies no, they're trying to find uh, either reggies or

Blackjack Gabbiani 57:32

and yeah, it's an interesting thing because then they're not even, brought up with like Zinnia, is it? She's not connected to that town? With the, yeah, with the whole draconoids and everything and we never know anything about them. Yes,

David Hernandez 57:49

Unfortunately, it was cool. I think I loved Delta episode, but story wise is very lacking.

Blackjack Gabbiani 57:54

Yes,

David Hernandez 57:55

Anyway, you're talking about your fanfic?

Blackjack Gabbiani 57:57

so I started writing it in 2001. currently it's at 38 chapters. 31 of them are on archive of our own. I don't know why I haven't posted all of them. I think the only place the full thing actually is a Serebii forums. Um, Also in the first chapter his mom dies. Because the one thing I had ever heard about his backstory was that his mom died when he was young. so I had to incorporate that. So I gave her more personality. Her name is Gloria. because I had to do this angelic theme, right? Because he's got all those angel designs. Yeah. So, gosh, I used to write this on index cards when I worked at a video store. I worked at Hollywood Video, if that tells you how old I am. This story is.

David Hernandez 58:52

like the old school blockbuster basically.

Blackjack Gabbiani 58:54

Oh, God, yeah. I mean, with Blockbuster, there's even one left. It's down in Bend, Oregon, and you can rent out the whole thing for parties. Hollywood's completely gone. I think that was gone by, like, 2009 or something

David Hernandez 59:07

that. I remember closed

Blackjack Gabbiani 59:08

Long time ago.

David Hernandez 59:09

closed it. Yeah

Blackjack Gabbiani 59:11

but, the first few chapters I don't think are very good, but I want to finish it before I do a rewrite, and finishing it may take, you know, 20 more years. I don't know. Especially

David Hernandez 59:23

your manifesto. Yeah

Blackjack Gabbiani 59:24

gosh. but I think, get really good as it goes along. And in fact, I've made a friend over it. she's said that how it explores loss after his mother died and how he copes with it, but he has very poor coping skills, so he basically throws himself into this new world of art, it's something that she resonated with as someone whose mother died when she was young too.

David Hernandez 59:52

What keeps you motivated keep writing that because I mean some people get discouraged when something takes longer than two weeks and here You are years later still writing

Blackjack Gabbiani 1:00:00

Well, that one I am taking a hiatus from. Because I got Scarlet and Violet brain rot and wanted to just write about the AIs. But,

David Hernandez 1:00:09

I is it really brain rock because you've got some very good insight into it.

Blackjack Gabbiani 1:00:12

oh yeah, thank you. Um, I did just win, um, Actually two of my fics about the AIs have won prizes at Komori Con. One of them was last year and one of them was this year. It was just like a a half ago.

David Hernandez 1:00:26

What is Komori Kan for those who don't know?

Blackjack Gabbiani 1:00:28

Portland, Oregon Anime Convention. the one that won, this year is called Sight. And it's honestly, I think, the best thing I wrote last year. the summary is the AI is beginning to show an interest in the world outside Area Zero. Turo can't have that. he wakes up and finds that the AI is looking at a website about the Ten Sites of Feldea. And he's basically like, no. No, you can't. No. You're staying here with me. And the AI is like, what are your intentions for me when Paradise is complete? Turo specifically does not answer that question.

David Hernandez 1:01:05

he avoids

Blackjack Gabbiani 1:01:06

Yeah, he does talk, but he doesn't answer that question.

David Hernandez 1:01:11

for somebody, say, who's still maybe learning or wants to dive into fanfic, what advice would you give to them, especially if they want to do Pokemon? Yes.

Blackjack Gabbiani 1:01:22

Two, read. Not just Pokémon fanfics, but read a lot. read non fiction, too. It's great. think about how things connect in the world. Think about interpersonal relationships, think about, if you're writing about a canon character, think about how they would react in different situations, and so on. something I find really interesting, and the reason that I like dialogue, and find that to be my strongest point, acting things out. I, uh, it's kind of impacted how I sleep, but acting out scenes, like have characters talk to each other or just get into a character. you know, if you're going to go to the grocery store or whatever, and you're going to deal with a bunch of people you don't know, And, you know, you could pretend to be a character, not an especially outlandish one, but like, how would Penny buy groceries, you know? What would she do when she's there looking at, I mean, she'd probably buy too sugared cereal and not have a very good diet, but, know, remind her that, Arvin is telling her she needs to eat healthier, she needs to eat a vegetable for once in her life. I don't know.

David Hernandez 1:02:34

say blackjack. Do you sometimes wake up and think you're Cyrus? And we got it? Okay,

Blackjack Gabbiani 1:02:41

school. No, no, that that was, that was before Cyrus was a thing, but that, those were those days.

David Hernandez 1:02:47

Yeah, of course So on that note I used to do an exercise where I would change my name Whenever I introduce somebody or whenever I was introduced to somebody, I never would meet again. I would think of a random name and just try to make a character out of it. So definitely if you want to get better, do a blackjack recommends, because it's very good way to kind of dive into the character's psyche, which is so important. Cause that's what, connects us with them, but it also gives you an idea to like, what choices would they make?

Blackjack Gabbiani 1:03:15

Mm-hmm also introducing yourself with a different name each time. Just reminds me of the TV show. Psych

David Hernandez 1:03:20

Oh, yes. I love Psyche. I've heard it both ways. No, John.

Blackjack Gabbiani 1:03:31

Oh gosh.

David Hernandez 1:03:33

Well, Blackjack, thank you for coming on the show. Before we close this interview. I want to ask one last Pokemon question. What's If somebody was going to come challenge you, six on six, Pokemon battle, what six Pokemon are you bringing?

Blackjack Gabbiani 1:03:45

Oh gosh. Uh, Well probably. like if we're just going me, what I would have in real life, a chatot and each color of squawkabilly and gosh, for another one, uh, I mean, I need, I need, uh, I need one more here. Um, I don't know. my favorite Pokemon is Landshaman, but I, you know, the chances of me running into one even for a Legendary slash Mythical, cause let's face it, the difference is pretty random and probably wouldn't exist in universe. even for fairly common one that, you know, people know where they gather and everything, the, the odds of me running into one and actually having one are slim to none. And so I

David Hernandez 1:04:41

I mean, anything happens in the Pokemon world, maybe one day you just open a book about Landshaming and all of a sudden it just pops out like, hey, this didn't happen before. It could definitely happen in your world. You never know.

Blackjack Gabbiani 1:04:51

find a, a dry grissidia flower you can use as a bookmark and I take it

David Hernandez 1:04:56

go.

Blackjack Gabbiani 1:04:57

just pops up out of the ground.

David Hernandez 1:05:00

Or a bookmark that's made out of the Gresidia

Blackjack Gabbiani 1:05:02

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. A dried flower as a bookmark.

David Hernandez 1:05:07

Awesome Why is a land shaming your favorite? Just out of

Blackjack Gabbiani 1:05:10

Because it's freaking adorable.

David Hernandez 1:05:12

Oh, what about Skyform? You don't

Blackjack Gabbiani 1:05:14

I don't, Skyfarm is trying too hard to be cool. Ha

David Hernandez 1:05:17

There you go. It's trying to be an EV

Blackjack Gabbiani 1:05:18

ha ha ha ha. Uh.

David Hernandez 1:05:23

But Blackjack, thank you for coming on the podcast before you go. If people want to check out your fan fiction, if they want to connect with you, where can they go? By all means, please plug

Blackjack Gabbiani 1:05:30

I'm basically, I'm Blackjack Gabbiani basically everywhere. Um, I'm on Archive of Our Own by that name. I'm on Blue Sky by that name. basically the only place I'm not is YouTube, where I'm BJG Videos. And you can check out some of my voice acting there. I have a playlist called Stuff I'm In, Hear My Voice. And then you can check out my, uh, I wouldn't recommend my, Sword and Shield playthrough because that was before I could record directly. So I was recording it with my phone camera. But if you want to see a complete jank playthrough that ended halfway through, Like, I did legitimately cancel that because it was not fun for me to play in that manner. It was more fun for me to play on my own. but I also have my Legends playthrough which was live streamed. I don't want to livestream anymore. I do like having pre recorded gameplay videos. I did, Brilliant Diamond, Shining Pearl, And in these games, when I play them, I tend to do, like, a lot of voices.