As The Pokeball Turns
A Pokemon interview podcast where Pokemon Trainers share their experiences from the world of Pokemon! Each journey started with a choice and are as different as the number of Pokemon. Listen to the different ways Pokemon Trainer's interact with the Pokemon franchise ranging from Pokemon GO, Pokemon Battles, Pokemon TCG, and much more!
As The Pokeball Turns
TRAINER'S EYE #52 - "Venti Gengar Breve Latte Con Panna" ft. Kyle from GOCast
In this Pokemon interview, we are joined by Kyle, a Pokemon Trainer from Chicago, Illinois and one-half of the GOCast podcast
Kyle shares a unique perspective on Raids for Pokémon GO. He also shares his fascination with Ghost-type Pokémon, and some of his favorite Ghost Pokemon, adding an extra layer of excitement to his Pokémon journey.
Venture into the origins of the GOCast podcast as Kyle shares his story of how he met his co-host Chris at Starbucks. Together, they embarked on a creative journey to share their love for Pokémon with the world, resulting in an engaging and entertaining podcast that captures the essence of the Pokémon experience.
Trainer's Eye is a series where the stories are real and people still play this game. From PVP to Shiny Hunting, each person's Pokemon GO journey is unique and we dive into each journey here on As The Pokeball Turns!
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Opening Song: "Forget You" by Alex_MakeMusic from Pixabay
"Opening (Pokemon Red & Blue Remix)" by Mewmore
"Cloudy" by KODOMOi
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Welcome to As the Pokeball Turns, where the stories are real and people still play this game. On July 1st, 2018, the GoCast podcast made their entry into the podcasting world with one co host asking,"what will we talk about with Pokemon Go?" Fast forward 5 years later, the show is continuing strong where now both co hosts struggle to keep the podcast within an hour and a half. And that's what they call famous last words. Along the way, the PVP Corner hosted by both FishOnAHeater and DPhiE250 was added to the show to cater to the growing interest in PVP. In addition, they have added other segments such as Gear Up, Poke Lore, Poke Poll, and E-Mails! in the first part of a two part series, My guest shares his perspective on meeting his co-host at Starbucks, his experience with Pokemon and how his contrarian point of view provides a voice and validation for others. From Chicago, Illinois, here is his origin story into the world of Pokemon Go. This is GoCastKyle. today I'm joined by one half of the go cast podcast. Kyle, Kyle, thank you for coming on to the show.
GO Cast Kyle:Thank you for having me. Also, I have to say it for my fans, but Haya, because that's, that's how I start every show, by accident originally, and it became a thing.
David Hernandez:Really? So you would just start like with Haya whenever you get
GO Cast Kyle:I, the, the first, this is not Pokemon Go related, but the first episode we ever recorded, I was extremely nervous, and I had no experience, unlike Chris. And I said Haya, and it was so uncharacteristic of me. And then I didn't say it the next week, and our other co host was like, hey, you didn't say it, why not? And then I've said it ever since, and now everyone identifies me with it, so,
David Hernandez:It's like your own catchphrase.
GO Cast Kyle:yeah, there's a few other, and that's a standout one, for sure.
David Hernandez:What are the other ones? I'm curious.
GO Cast Kyle:Uh, I do the, I do e mails when we get to our e mail segment. And it's more of the show related, but fish like is used to describe some Pokémon in the Pokédex, and it just bothers the heck out of me, because... It's used to describe Pokemon that are just fish like, Alomomola's dex entry says it's fish like. And I'm like, no, it's just a fish. And now we refer to everything as fish like because it's lizard like or snake like. And I'm like, no, it's just a snake.
David Hernandez:Oh, that's fair. So Ekans would be a snake like, of course, but what if it became a water type? Would you call it a fish at that point?
GO Cast Kyle:Uh, mm, mm, maybe. I think, I think an eel type Pokemon might get a pass if it was like that.
David Hernandez:Now, people know you as, like, the Negative Nancy, the Debbie Downer side the podcast. Personally, I think you're just Misunderstood Soul. Deep down, I think you're filled with cotton candy, gummy bears, and sunshine 24/7. What do you think?
GO Cast Kyle:Uh, definitely not. I'm probably not as negative as a lot of people associate me with. I definitely try to present more of the contrarian aspects to a lot of things. It drives people around me crazy because I'm a contrarian in real life as well. But that also tends to be a lot of negative things, especially when you talk about video games and stuff like that.
David Hernandez:I guess that's the downside of trying to be a contrarian, is that people just see you as, they see you in a negative light, and they don't see what kind of input that can come from that kind of perspective.
GO Cast Kyle:Yeah, absolutely. I think it's been within the last maybe six or eight months, I kind of realized, whoa, I am actually just being negative now. And so now I try to make sure that my negativity has a Purpose. It, like, it's serving to move a conversation forward instead of just putting it down.
David Hernandez:No, that's fair. It's like providing constructive criticism instead of just having a good old bitch fest basically, right?
GO Cast Kyle:Yeah, absolutely.
David Hernandez:So, of course, we're talking about Pokemon Go. When did you first start playing?
GO Cast Kyle:Oh, so, there's two answers to this one. I... am technically a day two, player. July 7th on my character screen and that will forever haunt me. I was in college at the time the game came out, but I was hopelessly addicted to another mobile game at the time, and that game required all of my screen time. And so, I didn't play a lot of Go when it initially came out. the gameplay loop at the time, no raids, not much else happening, didn't appeal to me. And so I just dropped it. And it wasn't until 2017 that I met Chris and he went to the first GoFest, he's like, yeah, this is still a thing that I re downloaded it and more or less fell back in love, at Lavatar Community Day. And have never stopped since then.
David Hernandez:What was the other game that you were hooked on at the time?
GO Cast Kyle:Uh, I mean, I'm still playing and we don't have to talk
David Hernandez:Oh, okay.
GO Cast Kyle:it's, uh, it's not, not to the degree I used to be, because I was in school, obviously, it's called Summoner's War. It's a gotcha game, turn based, monster collection, RNG type stuff like that. So, it, it satisfied the, the monster collection itch from Pokemon, for sure, at the time.
David Hernandez:So is that kind of like your main person and it became your side person at this point? And Pokemon Go is like your main person or is it still kind of in between?
GO Cast Kyle:Uh, I mean, if, depending on how we classify gaming time, Pokemon is probably the side person. Summoner's War is just like the one you see occasionally, and, Genshin Impact and Star Rail are my main games right now. Which is funny, because I do a Pokemon Go podcast, and I still really like the game, so.
David Hernandez:I mean, this is another podcast where the co host plays Digimon all the time and very rarely plays Pokemon. So, I mean, you wouldn't be alone in this.
GO Cast Kyle:Oh, you should send that over to Chris. He might want be on there.
David Hernandez:Oh
GO Cast Kyle:Chris loves Digimon, and I'm like, I don't care about Digimon.
David Hernandez:my, so going back to when Pokemon Go first came out, were you part of any, like the big crowds where you'd like, did you see masses of people anywhere?
GO Cast Kyle:No, see, I kick myself for this all the time, because I went to school, I went to the University of Illinois at Chicago. I was downtown Chicago every single day, five days a week, and I wasn't playing Pokemon Go at the time. And so I missed all of it.
David Hernandez:Wow. So you missed all the hype and everything that, went down.
GO Cast Kyle:I read about it. I read about it at the time and I was like, man, I guess I did miss out.
David Hernandez:well, what's your experience with Pokemon before Pokemon Go?
GO Cast Kyle:I started with gen one. I'm a nineties baby and I don't know. I was probably 6 when I got my red version. Played the heck out of it. I played Gen 2. Gen 3 was when I really fell in love with the game. It was the first time I completed a Pokedex and it is overall my favorite generation to this day still. I've played every Pokemon game since, except for Sun and Moon. Sun and Moon, I couldn't do it, and I was just like, I have to, I can't, can't do it.
David Hernandez:What was it about sun and moon that kind of turned you off?
GO Cast Kyle:The first third of the game is very hand holdy scripted. I was just at a certain point in my life where I'm like, this is not enjoyable. I love Pokemon, I like everything else about it, but the story in this game, and the experience they're trying to deliver, It's not made for me, unfortunately. I've kept current with like the Pokemon and stuff like that. So as sun and moons generation as Alola was coming into go, it was an experience for me too, because I'm like, I don't actually have any opinions about these Pokemon yet, because I haven't. Interacted with them.
David Hernandez:Do you have a favorite Pokemon at all?
GO Cast Kyle:Oh, yeah. Oh, that's an easy one for me. It's Gengar. I love Gengar so much. I'm the ghost type connoisseur, and I like all ghost types, but Gengar is easily at the top.
David Hernandez:Oh, so ghost types your favorite type of all time.
GO Cast Kyle:Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
David Hernandez:Is it'cause of design aesthetic reasons, the it,
GO Cast Kyle:thematically, I think just the theme for Ghost is so strong overall, and it really lends itself to some really creative ideas, as well as some really stereotypical ideas, as you have with something like Gengar, which is just something dead, but as a afterlife type thing. But then you have something crazy like, you know, Palossand, which is just reanimated sandcastle.
David Hernandez:They're so unique. Especially what I love about ghost types, I dunno if you had a chance to I like the d entries of a lot of them.
GO Cast Kyle:Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And some of them are like, just, oh, whatever, and then some of them are like, oh, that actually got way more dark than I thought it was going to. The, the dex entry for Drifloon and Drifblim is equal parts funny and terrifying.
David Hernandez:Well, let me ask you this. So, if you were going to have a team of ghost Pokemon, which six would you pick?
GO Cast Kyle:Alright, alright. I can do this, so, there's Gengar, for sure. Aegislash cause that's, that's number two. Love that Pokemon. Mimikyu cause it's so creative. Oh, so good. you gotta have Giratina or Giratino, as we say in the show for origin form.
David Hernandez:Snake Legs, right?
GO Cast Kyle:Snake like, snake like ghost. Um, ooh. Oh, there's so many good ones. either Trevenant or Delmise. The same typing and theming and stuff like that. I'm gonna say Trevenant because Delmise is really like a trick room kind of guy. And, Alolan Marowak, I think
David Hernandez:Oh my gosh, yes.
GO Cast Kyle:that's, I think Alolan Marowak is probably the best alternative form design of any of the alternate forms, so, top tier. Shedinja a deer one to me too, cause it's, it's a bug ghost. So it's got the crossover cause Chris likes bugs and I like ghosts. So it's kind of like the only intersection that we have.
David Hernandez:It's like, if we combine you two, y'all become a Shedinja.
GO Cast Kyle:Yeah, exactly.
David Hernandez:So, you come back to Pokémon Go, and you said it's because of Tyranitar? Or Larvitar Community Day?
GO Cast Kyle:Well that was the day, that was the event that was happening, I came back cause Chris... At the time was like, Hey, this is going on. You interested? I'm like, yeah, sure. I guess. Why not? I had no experience with the game. I knew nothing. I was probably like level, I don't know, 21 at the time. I played a little bit before I stopped. And it was water festival at the time too, so we had Kyogre raids and I love Kyogre. I got a shiny Kyogre on my second raid that we did there and just kind of was like, wow, There's compelling stuff here now for me.
David Hernandez:What was it about, Pokemon Go at that time that kept you engaged compared to how it originally didn't? Like, what was the difference this time?
GO Cast Kyle:two, three major factors. I want to say number one, first and foremost, you'll hear a lot of people say this. I imagine. I was playing with other people and that was, that was a big deal. I was with friends, we were all playing the game together and we were bonding over that, event itself. Number two is there was an event happening. So something in the game actually focused the interest and really brought it all to the forefront. And number three was Raids, because Raids didn't exist when I played the game back in 2016, and I found that really interesting and a way to get legendary Pokémon that you wouldn't otherwise obtain, so that really kind of was like, I want to go to that Raid over there. Let's go to that Raid over there.
David Hernandez:Are you a huge fan of the Raid system? Like, would you go out grinding Raids when you did return?
GO Cast Kyle:it's a double edged sword. I love Raiding, but the raid system in Go is so bad. It's so bad. And I say that having done hundreds and hundreds of raids over the last five years. Six years now. Oh my god, it's been six years. I love going to the raids. I love building a team of Pokemon. I love working with other players and all of that, but the actual system of the raid itself, The waiting in the lobby, the general tap tapping, not as appealing. And I pray every day for a Raid rework.
David Hernandez:Fair enough. Do you have any ideas of what you would like to see added?
GO Cast Kyle:I think one thing is ways of interacting with the system that doesn't require a bunch of people. Going around with just one other person and doing raids is a great experience, but if you're not highly skilled and depending on the raid boss, just because of the way the game works, it doesn't matter. You just can't do it. a scaling system like that and things that might reward players with better performance, letting you decide roles and being maybe a more supportive role in the raid, there's no real support option, despite the fact that so many Pokemon are supportive type Pokemon in the whole game. Would really, I think, bring more life to raids.
David Hernandez:You've been listening to As the Pokeball Turns. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back. so you talked about your cohost, Chris. You know, he's the other side of GoCast. Of course, there's a PvP corner, but how did y'all two meet? what's y'all story to how y'all were introduced to each other?
GO Cast Kyle:this is a fun one. I've got to imagine he told the exact same story, but it's fun to share and I love talking about it. Chris and I worked at Starbucks together And over that time, we kind of bonded over a mutual love of video games in general, specifically World of Warcraft at the time, because we were both really into World of Warcraft when we were in high school and so it's very formative for our opinions on a lot of things. And Pokemon to a lesser extent, but he told me he was going to go fest in 2017. I was like, what's that? He came back and he was a tomato because he got sun poisoning and. Basically melted in the sun. after that, he was like, you know, we could totally do a podcast about Pokemon go, because he was big in a podcast in general, he did a podcast about legal legends, which we also share interests in. And I had no thoughts on that. I'm like, what are you talking about? There's not enough information to make a weekly podcast on Pokemon go. I don't, I don't, what are we going to talk about? He's like, don't worry, don't worry. Don't worry. I'll take care of it. We're going to take care of it. And then he left Starbucks and then we reconnected over Larvitar Community Day, and we recorded the first episode right before Squirtle Community Day. And now, six years later, we struggle to keep... The episodes under two hours, because there's so much to talk about, so he likes to bring that up. So I have to eat crow every time.
David Hernandez:Oh, It's like, like, what are we going to talk about? It's like a two hours later.
GO Cast Kyle:yeah, exactly, exactly. We used to be like, oh, it's not a big deal. And now we're like, okay, I actually have to go to bed, so, we can't let this go on too long.
David Hernandez:What was he like as a boss? I'm the only podcast who could probably ask that question right now. Like, I don't think anybody's ever thought like, What was he like, like a boss?
GO Cast Kyle:uh, this is fun. I'm sure he'll listen to this, but he would ask me that anyways. But he was, uh, probably too friendly to be a boss, if I'm being honest. He was, not a bad boss, but a lot of people saw him more as a friend than a boss and that can make things more difficult in the grand scheme of things, when you have to be difficult with somebody else. Also he was really not great at making schedules at a certain point and I still have to give him grief about that to this day. So
David Hernandez:Hey, scheduling hard, man. I used to
GO Cast Kyle:it is hard. I still acknowledge to him. I'm like, Hey, I know it's hard, but you remember that time where you didn't schedule more than two people and we were supposed to have four. Yeah.
David Hernandez:And we were the two?
GO Cast Kyle:Um,
David Hernandez:Oh my gosh. so eventually y'all started the podcast. You don't have any podcast background from what I understand. Is that correct?
GO Cast Kyle:no, I, I listened to podcasts, but that about it.
David Hernandez:So what was it like for you to start GoCast with Chris having no podcast experience?
GO Cast Kyle:I think the thing for me that stands out the most and it's kind of tied back into my customer service to Starbucks because Starbucks was also my first customer service experience of my life. Being comfortable talking was really, really hard. If you listen to the early episodes of the podcast, and please don't do that. It's just, skip to like 50, 50 is when we found the groove. I was so much less confident in the way I talked. I was just a little bit shaky. I didn't really know the way that I was going to approach certain topics or how to transition from one topic to another. And those are kind of skills I developed after working with the podcast for so long.
David Hernandez:So how has the podcast changed you as a person, you think? Like, what has it given you that you wouldn't maybe have obtained otherwise?
GO Cast Kyle:One thing think, just touched on it, but speaking skills in general, being able to talk to groups is something I didn't think I'd need to have at any point. Despite a podcast being, you know, uh, in our case, a one on one scenario, we're really talking past each other to an audience, even if the audience is not visible. And so that really translates when we have meetups and we got 20, 30 people in a group able to communicate to everybody adequately. I've been told him like, yeah, you did a really good job of leading that group there. I'm like, I wasn't so sure about that. So thank you for letting me know that.
David Hernandez:It's a word of confirmation.
GO Cast Kyle:and I don't, I don't know if this necessarily answers it, but the people that I've met are kind of a big thing for me. It's not necessarily how it's changed me personally, but having the experience to meet a lot of people from around the country and some from around the globe has really been great.
David Hernandez:I mean, it's crazy because you think about how you first started. You know, you didn't even pick up this game and then you're like, how are we going to start a podcast? Or what are we going to talk about for two hours? You're well known. You're one of the biggest podcasts around for Pokemon go
GO Cast Kyle:Yeah.
David Hernandez:What is it like to think that there's, hundreds of people, at least who listen to you on a regular?
GO Cast Kyle:It's kind of surreal. And I think the real point for me is when somebody Writes us an email or leaves a message and says, yeah, I really agree with what Kyle was saying here and I'm like, somebody actually agrees with this opinion that I had? It's amazing. And or I sometimes somebody will say that they really see themselves and their opinions represented in the stances that I take and I'm like that's a good feeling like that's a good feeling to let that you know other people feel represented by you because I feel that way when I watch other content when I watch YouTube or when I listen to other podcasts.
David Hernandez:it's like you provide a voice for somebody who may not be certain about their point of view. It sounds like.
GO Cast Kyle:Yeah!
David Hernandez:So you'll start the podcast and the first GO Fest you said you went to was 2018. What was that like for you?
GO Cast Kyle:it was not what I was expecting. There was so much more. I didn't have any real preconceived notions, but there was 15,000 Pokémon Go players in Lincoln Park that year. And it was so much more than I was anticipating. And it was just kind of a great experience to exist with all those players, go and see the habitats that had been set up, catch the Pokémon, at that point, you know, I'm still completing my Pokédex, so it's an exciting moment for me. I'm actually like, oh my god, I need to catch that Aerodactyl, are you kidding me? And other people are like, yeah, I've got 15, 000 Blissey candy.
David Hernandez:So what was your favorite part about it? Was it just the event or
GO Cast Kyle:it's kind of a really small part, but it's kind of stuck with me. They were doing raffles at each of the Team Tents that year and they would spin a wheel and the person up on the stage would shout out the question and, it'd be like, who has the most Great balls in their inventory today? Chris was real confident with that one. He's like, I've got 550. so he raised his hand and the person behind him was like, I've got 895. I think it's just, um, so that stands out. And then same, same exact moment. Next question was who has the closest number of Pikachu caught to the deck century and Pikachu is number 25. So who has as close to 25 Pikachu caught as possible. And I had 26 at the time, only to get beaten out by like a 10 year old kid standing right in front of me who had 25 and I'm like, no,
David Hernandez:Oh, really? So you just lost, you barely lost that
GO Cast Kyle:yeah, I was like, Oh, at that moment, I'm like, I will never catch another Pikachu again. That's absolutely was a lie. I kept at it for maybe a month. But it's it haunts me to this day. Those those two interactions were great.
David Hernandez:fast forward a little bit. So Seattle comes around in 2022 What was it like to be a featured creator for that event?
GO Cast Kyle:It was a little bit strange, specifically for the creator table, because we're a podcast, so we're more known for our voice, obviously. seeing us on, on stage was like, who's that kind of thing, at least in my mind, we actually had more people come to us than I was expecting. So that, that was nice. But we also hosted raid tours as notable trainers, and that was far more up our alley because we had done that in the past around downtown Chicago. So that was amazing to like have 50, 60 plus people walking behind us, listening to where we're directing people to go to raids. I think the one thing I realized with Go Fest Seattle is that at this point in my Pokemon Go career, One of the biggest things I go to and play Go for is the community and the interactions that I get out of that. I got to play all three days of GoFest Seattle, fortunately and I played most of it with a Pokeball Plus on my hip and not actually watching the screen because I was able to talk and meet so many people that had come to Seattle for the event that I knew, and that really kind of shaped and defined the experience.
David Hernandez:yeah. That's awesome. That's what happened to me too. Cause I couldn't play looking at my phone. Like I tried to, and I was like. I kind of want to just experience it. Just, you know, take it all in, you know,
GO Cast Kyle:Yeah, exactly. It's, it's a, it's an experience, and that's, that's kind of a big one with the live events, for sure.
David Hernandez:Well, cool. Last question about go fest. If somebody was on the fence about going to go fest. What would you tell them?
GO Cast Kyle:I think if Pokemon go is your main game and you can afford it, go fast is definitely worth saving up to do. It is truly an experience. if you're really able to, you can make a whole time of it. Chris and I are actually extending our stay by three days in New York, so we can experience New York as well. You almost can't rival it with anything else that Go has to offer and it really is Pokemon Go at its best.
David Hernandez:Are y'all gonna go to Starbucks and judge, see how well they're doing, compared to what y'all remember?
GO Cast Kyle:Uh, we probably will go to some Starbucks while we are there. For sure.
David Hernandez:So, eventually, y'all decide to add the PvP corner with DPhiE and Fish. What has the PvP corner meant, to GoCast? Or how has it added to your show over time, in your opinion?
GO Cast Kyle:For me, it's really important because I'm really capable of acknowledging when I don't know something about a game. And also that a lot of people want that information and it's a very valuable and important part of being relevant and being recent is to be talking about PVP. So really value that they're able to bring that to the table, and they're really good at it too.
David Hernandez:Now, Kyle, guess what time it is?
GO Cast Kyle:What time is it?
David Hernandez:It's time for the PVP corner! Now Kyle. I have talked to both FishOnTheHeater and DPhiE and they have provided five questions to see how well do you know your PVP, and to see who knows more PVP between you and Chris. What do you think?
GO Cast Kyle:I think it's gonna depend on the questions, but probably Chris.
David Hernandez:So you think Chris knows more about PVP than you do?
GO Cast Kyle:Yes.
David Hernandez:There's only one way to find out. You ready?
GO Cast Kyle:Yeah.
David Hernandez:What does C M P stand for?
GO Cast Kyle:charge move priority.
David Hernandez:There we go. You got one? All right. Question two, what is Gengar's typing?
GO Cast Kyle:This is ghost poison.
David Hernandez:There we go. All right. Two outta five. We got three more. Which ghost move has the lowest energy per turn?
GO Cast Kyle:lowest energy per turn. Oh, no, I can only think of two, and I know they're both wrong. Hang on. Well, I know they're both good. Um, is it Hex?
David Hernandez:No,
GO Cast Kyle:Dang. Okay.
David Hernandez:it's, uh, lick.
GO Cast Kyle:Ah, okay. Yeah.
David Hernandez:All right. Next question. You got, uh, two outta three so far. Number four, a haunter faces a Beedrill in great league. In a no shield scenario, with each Pokemon at full health, which Pokemon wins?
GO Cast Kyle:I mean, it's a coin flip, but I absolutely have no idea. I'm gonna say it's Beedrill.
David Hernandez:Wow, no faith in your ghost Pokemon. Wow, you call
GO Cast Kyle:Beedrill knows, uh, Beedrill knows Bulldoze, or is it Drill Run? One of those two type moves gonna eviscerate the Haunter.
David Hernandez:That's fair, that's fair, that's fair. the answer actually is Haunter. Haunter
GO Cast Kyle:Ah, okay. Well, that's fair. I mean, I had no clue.
David Hernandez:Alright, last question, last question. Which ghost charge move has a 20% chance of decreasing the opponent's defense?
GO Cast Kyle:Um, is that ominous wind?
David Hernandez:It is Shadow Bone,
GO Cast Kyle:Okay. Okay.
David Hernandez:so 2 out of 5, 2 out of 5. Now to find out who wins between them two, you have to check out Chris's episode. But that is the episode, Kyle. Thank you for coming on the show. If people want to check out content at GoCast, where could they go? By all means, please plug away.
GO Cast Kyle:Oh, man. Oh no, Chris does this one usually but you can find us anywhere that podcasts are hosted, Spotify or Apple Podcasts, or on Twitter@GOCastPodcast. GOCastPodcast.com and pretty much anywhere you can find us, go Cast podcast in particular. all four of those words, bring this up online.
David Hernandez:And I'll make sure to include links to everything he said in the description of today's episode. Thank you for listening to As the Pokeball Turns. If you want to support the show, consider becoming a patron by either clicking the link in the description or going to patreon.com/asthepokeballturns. Now here's a sneak peek for the next episode of As the Pokeball Turns.
